A pro-life, medical ethics group has released a second undercover video that claims to show a Planned Parenthood Federation of America doctor “haggling” over aborted fetuses, as well as the abortion methods used to procure “specimens.”
The heavily edited, more than eight-minute video from the Center for Medical Progress features a discussion between two actors posing as tissue buyers and Dr. Mary Gatter, a doctor at Planned Parenthood and the president of the organization’s medical doctors’ council.
While Gatter is seen repeatedly stating in the clip — which was filmed in February 2015 — that, ”We’re not in it for the money,” she also uses the word “compensation” to describe a potential arrangement between the buyers and Planned Parenthood affiliates.
At one point, Gatter seemingly describing a process that she observed at her past clinic in which someone at an outside company would come in to procure tissue. She said that it was an easy arrangement for Planned Parenthood staffers, that they “didn’t have to do anything” and that there was compensation for it, though additional context might not be in the edited clip.
“There was a discussion as I was leaving. They have been paying by the case, and there was some discussion about doing it in a different way or — I don’t know what you’re used to doing — how you’re used to doing compensation,” the doctor said. “Patients don’t get anything, of course.”
Watch the clip below (caution: disturbing content):
Gatter went on to ask what the faux company usually gets for “intact tissue,” with the buyers asking her to, instead, explain what she is used to paying for specimens.
“You know, in negotiations the person who throws out the figure first is at a loss, right?” Gatter responded with a laugh, proceeding to suggest $75 per specimen, with the buyers countering that $100 would be more appropriate and that the doctor was low-balling the figure at $75.
Despite having a conversation about “compensation,” Gatter said that Planned Parenthood isn’t “in it for the money,” and did note that tissue donation is permitted by Planned Parenthood only with a waiver and an explanation of how a specific program would work.
“We don’t want to be in a position of being accused of selling tissue and stuff like that,” she said. “On the other hand, there are costs associated with the use of our space, and all that kind of stuff.”
Gatter also discussed concerns that she had over the notion of changing abortion methods to procure more intact fetuses, noting that doctors pledge not to change the way that an abortion is handled if and when tissue donation is on the table, though she seemingly wasn’t opposed to using a different method — something that she called a “less crunchy” technique, according to the footage.
“Let me just figure out what others are getting, and if this is in the ballpark, then it’s fine, if it’s still low, then we can bump it up,” she said of the $100 offer, joking, “I want a Lamborghini.”
This footage follows a previous video during which Dr. Deborah Nucatola, Planned Parenthood Federation of America’s senior director of medical services, discussed similar issues.